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the andreasen affair the documented

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investigation of a woman's abduction

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aboard a UFO Mr Fowler good morning good

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morning Ben nice to be with you before

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we start talking primarily about the

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andreasen affair in about two and about

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and we listen to this tape and I think

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you'll give us an introduction to that

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in a few minutes how did one come from

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being a UFO a UFO military investigator

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with the Air Force to uh is it just a

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natural kind of sequence to continue

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this kind of work after the military

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well really uh I was with the United

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States Air Force for a number of years

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not as a UFO investigator we were doing

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electronic Espionage under the auspices

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of the National Security Agency

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but within this position uh UFO reports

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did come to my attention which indicated

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that the United States Air Force was

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taken the subject very seriously indeed

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which was one of the things that

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instigated me to look into the matter

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further when I got out of the service

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so it just developed that's right from

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that really it developed from a uh a

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teenage interest in experimental

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aircraft and when flying saucers became

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headline news I thought that we're

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dealing with another experimental

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aircraft but it didn't take very long to

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for me and be public to realize that

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when you have all the major governments

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of the world investigating something

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that something really must be going on

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now for many many years and I think this

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is changing somewhat though but for many

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many years folks who considered

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I think objective investigators of UFO

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sightings were often referred to as the

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UFO bus that's right that was whether

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that wasn't considered to uh too nice uh

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in those particular times two nice

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phrase The credibility though has

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changed or at least the incredibility of

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the UFO investigator has changed

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tremendously hasn't it yes and I think

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this probably stems from the fact that

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more and more scientifically trained

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people have become involved in UFO

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investigation at the men's Space Center

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for example you must have a couple

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hundred people who are interested in

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UFOs and some who are actively engaged

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in UFO investigation back in the 50s

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when I was involved in this more or less

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as a interesting hobby the people of

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that category probably wouldn't have

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anything to do with the subject even the

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astronaut Gordon Cooper an astronaut

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publicly stating that they believe that

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UFOs are real Cooper says the UFOs are

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interplanetary and he has recounted

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several experiences that he has had with

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UFOs they wouldn't have done that

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several years ago I think the

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credibility

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is much higher 57 percent of the

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American people right now according to

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Gallup believed that UFOs are real and

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believe that they have seen the UFO as

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15 million people just in this country

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alone how are you involved in John

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Fuller's incident Exeter I was involved

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as an investigator for the national

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investigations committee on aerial

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phenomena and conducted the initial

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investigation John Fuller wrote for

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Saturday review at the time and was

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interested in UFOs in doing a story and

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contacted Nike cap and asked what was

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new and I was right in the process of

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this investigation and he flew down and

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looked up my report and went back and

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reinvestigated what I had done and wrote

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a very fascinating book yes yes it was

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if you would give us background so we

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can lead up to what I understand is

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going to be a pretty startling piece of

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audio tape that we're going to be

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listening to all right the audio tape

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that you're going to be hearing excerpts

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from uh comes from one of 14 hypnotic

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regression sessions and it concerned is

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abducted by UFO occupants and given

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among many other things a physical

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examination what you're about to hear is

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a small segment of that physical

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examination and I think that you will be

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able to relive with her the trauma and

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and she is under hypnosis and

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recountingly living not recounting

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really living okay Isaiah listen

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we apparently had a power failure folks

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and it really wasn't supposed to happen

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that way

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that gets kind of spooky doesn't it you

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what happened they had two independent

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tape systems down there taping the TV

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program when they played it back about

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every third word was missing all the way

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through the show and to the best of my

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knowledge they still hadn't found out

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what happened you didn't erase that no I

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didn't arrange anything

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package just a moment we're going to

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start from the very beginning we're

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gonna let anything get us now if you

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want you don't succeed you try try again

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unless you have another power failure

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and then you get the message that time

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and go right on but we're going to try

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I uh a medical exam that well I'm going

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to use the word allegedly occurred

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aboard a spacecraft uh I might do a

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little step ahead before we before we

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the report has been that Betty and her

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daughter were both telling the truth

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some thing happened to them yes they

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both believe it happened to them there's

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no doubt the lie detector tests a very

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rigid character reference check and a

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number of other things that we can go

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into later indicates that they're

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telling the truth as they know it to be

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okay once again Betty andreasen under

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hypnosis reliving that medical exam

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why do you have to put that in my nose

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how did you get involved in first of all

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investigating the case being with nicap

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of the mutual UFO Network headquartered

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in Seguin Texas uh it happened in

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Massachusetts I reside in Massachusetts

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and the state director told me of the

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case and I became involved with the

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investigating team which consisted of a

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aerospace engineer a solo physicist an

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electrical engineer a communication

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specialist in myself there were five of

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us and we were constantly checking each

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other as we've gone through in a

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professional hypnotist

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professional psychiatrist

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1977 and continued for a full year and

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the final report consisted of 528 Pages

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three volumes thoroughly documenting

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this close encounter the Third Kind type

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G which involves an onboard experience

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in your personal recollection did indeed

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what Betty andreason described during

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that hypnotic session actually occur to

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believe it happened they relive it as a

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real experience uh Becky her daughter

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relived it from her own vantage point

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uh three uh persons consciously remember

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the uh initial part of the experience

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the father and the daughter and uh and

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go back to January 25th 1967.

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and check things like the weather the

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power failure how much snow is on the

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ground what was on TV and things like

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that we were able to do all kinds of

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checks like that which indicated that

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they really were describing January 25th

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1967 or interest me the most is all that

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similar to the Andreessen Affair and

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there are subtle similarities which

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exist between these cases which we feel

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no way some of these Witnesses could

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have known about for example the needle

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for example that was inserted in Betty's

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nose when they pull that needle out

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end of it we know of one case it has

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never been published that has a similar

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thing happened during the physical

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examination her description of the

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humanoids very similar to the hills case

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similar experience to Betty Andreas and

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his description of the craft the

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occupants how they moved or floated and

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so forth is very consistent with what

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the master sergeant he belongs to the

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human reliability program which is a

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psychiatric examinations to the cream of

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so there was no possibility of a

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psychosis it's a very intelligent man in

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the case of Betty Andreas and you have a

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little country girl that has no

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knowledge of you I've always you had 10

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years of education uh married the boy

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next door raised seven kids one after

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the other and her life was mainly tied

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context of the local church and uh

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because he was interested in art as far

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as UFOs went he didn't even know what a

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against her religious beliefs to even

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believe that UFOs existed we have an

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awful time trying to convince her the

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hypnosis was something that was

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legitimate and could be used by surgeons

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and dentists criminologists and so forth

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so we we have a we're a case where we

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have someone who had had no background

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in UFOs and yet describes the same type

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of thing as other types of people from

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various walks of life are described in

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this country and abroad which makes it

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very interesting what was the reaction

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of Betty Andreas and when you first

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approached her to investigate her

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experience was she got was she a little

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incident because she had written a

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letter to Dr jail and heineck out of the

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center for UFO studies in response to a

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newspaper article which indicated that

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he was interested in cases of this

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nature unfortunately all she could

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remember was the flashing lights which I

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guess we never really went over the

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story but there were flashing lights in

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the backyard a local power blackout

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interestingly enough and uh these being

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somehow getting into the house the

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father saw them out in the yard coming

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toward the house but it was so vague

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that Dr heinek just filed it away for a

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few years and we came to know about it

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in 1977 but she was very interested 20

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years then after the fact no it happened

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on January 25th 1967 and we started in

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January of

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1977. first she said 57. she was very

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relieved that someone might be able to

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help uh her discover what had happened

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unfortunately as he began to relive this

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under hypnosis and it came to a

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conscious mind she thought she was going

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to be loose she was losing her mind

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these things don't happen and we killed

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two birds with one stone we had her uh

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with a psychiatrist to assure her that

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she wasn't a psychotic she felt that she

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must need mental medical attention

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because things like this don't happen

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but also to assure us that we weren't

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dealing with a psychotic let me

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interrupture we'll continue our

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discussion right after news from CBS you

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stand by won't you you know when the

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Project Blue Book uh was was closed

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officially so to speak by the Air Force

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they made the statement that they were

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able to pretty well discount I forget

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the exact figure 95 98 percent of all of

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all sightings or reports they were able

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to explain this but it left that two or

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three percent

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you include in this the Andreas an

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affair

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uh yes I would but the two or three

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percent is a very very low figure uh Dr

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heineck who is Chief scientific

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consultant to project sign Grudge and

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Blue Book has indicated that the true

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percentage was uh somewhere around 20

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percent

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and uh I think this came across very

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clearly in the movie uh a TV movie on uh

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Project Blue Book that uh was shown for

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maybe a year or so and they indicated a

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high percentage of 20 percent other

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countries UFO projects also come up with

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this 20 that which remain unexplained

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after after investigation just because

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you report someone reports a UFO doesn't

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make it a UFO it only remains a UFO

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after investigation uh content

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explanation before we go to our phones

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how about explaining to the listeners

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and to me too for that matter what

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exactly happened to Betty and Becky

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andreason on January 25th of 67. okay on

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that particular evening about 6 35 p.m

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uh there was an intermittent power

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failure simultaneous with that there was

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a flashing orange light which came

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through the kitchen window which

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overlooks a huge field uh the children

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were scared uh Mrs andreasen shoot her

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seven children into the living room and

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she had her parents staying with her to

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take care of the children because her

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husband was in the hospital at the time

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her father ran to the kitchen window and

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looked out and claimed he saw what

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looked like children dressed in strange

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Halloween costumes this is what his

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description of these beings were coming

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toward the house uh on second left

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though he saw that they weren't walking

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but they were moving floating with a

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Hopping motion all he can remember after

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that is him somehow getting in the house

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they did enter the house Mrs andreasen

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communicated with them through mental

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telepathy other members of the family

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seemed to have just Frozen in motion for

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want of a better term we called it we

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call it suspended animation

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this is Andreas Missouri concerned about

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her family and they allowed Becky

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Andreas and she was 11 years old at the

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time to come out of this state on

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suspended animation to assure Mrs

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andreasen that she was all right under

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hypnosis of Becky loses uh portion of

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the experience very vividly describing

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uh as an 11 year old he talked like an

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11 year old under hypnosis

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used an 11 year old vocabulary described

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little clay creatures or men rather

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talking to her mother

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and then to make a long story shot they

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convinced Betty andreasen to follow them

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to a craft which is out in the backyard

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she felt that she had free will but and

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looking back hindsight felt that they

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had complete control over everything

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that she did the craft is very small

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they stayed in that craft for a Philly

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long time she felt heaviness and so

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forth and then it stopped and she felt

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that she was taking the boy to larger

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craft where she was subjected to the

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effects of a number of very very strange

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instruments and then she was brought to

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an alien place where she had more

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experiences and then brought back to the

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craft and returned to her home uh it's a

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fascinating story I think the andreasen

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affair probably is the most documented

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account of its kind

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one of the interesting things about the

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Andreas nefarious we have a woman who is

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an excellent amateur artist and she was

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given post-hypnotic suggestion to

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remember these things in detail after

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each hypnotic regression session and she

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was able to supply us with a

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chronological account with her drawings

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in great detail uh most of which the

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major ones are included in the book uh

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one of the interesting things though uh

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considering the case which I failed to

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mention before is that one of the

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investigators was an aerospace engineer

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and he asked Mrs andreasen to describe

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each segment of The Craft that she was

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in how she entered that room and how she

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left the room what the dimensions were

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and then he took all of this information

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aside and was able to come up with a

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logical very coherent circular shaped

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craft which really amazed him he was

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very skeptical about this whole thing at

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first that sort of convinced him that

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there might be some legitimate to the

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the case how long a period our time

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frame now does this take place and did

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the rest of the family remain in this

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state of suspended animation while uh

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Betty and Becky were whoever it was they

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went to well it started approximately 6

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35 they returned to the house at 10 40

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and we estimate probably the uh aliens

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left probably between 10 40 and 11

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o'clock probably close to maybe quarter

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11 11 o'clock so the abduction

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experience we feel is about three hours

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and 40 minutes the whole experience

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maybe four hours and a half any thoughts

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any ideas on was she indeed transported

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in that vehicle somewhere

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it would seem to be that that's the

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apparent stimulus uh we kind of prove

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that uh all we can say is that what she

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described about the craft what she

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described during the physical

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examination has been described by others

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from various walks of life in this

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country and abroad who essentially

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described similar things uh some of

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which she wouldn't have been aware of at

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all it's hard to prove something like

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this it's you have to use the tools that

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you do have lie detector tests uh

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character reference checks the same way

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you deal with a criminal case it's you

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don't have physical evidence of any kind

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for something like this almost nine

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years went by before Betty andreasen

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ever mentioned this to anyone didn't it

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and they discussed it within the context

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of their own family she did discuss it

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with her sister and she uh not knowing

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that much about UFOs was trying to

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explain it within the context of her

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very simple Christian faith really and

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she found nothing that really gave her

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any answers and and strange things at

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which she couldn't remember had happened

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to her but they were just flashbacks of

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things that had happened but she

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couldn't hold it in her mind until this

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if not notic regression

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situation took place back in just a

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moment now let's go to our long distance

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line in Long Distance where are you

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nobody there phones are all the best too

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well I can't understand what you're

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saying to me what does that mean you're

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shaking your head no drop it put it on

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hold now watch

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okay we'll go up here to find out good

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morning you're on ktrs yes

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I hear somebody

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well we'll get we'll get it straightened

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out we'll figure out what's wrong with

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their phones and our power

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you didn't bring this with you did you

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who knows what I brought with me we're

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gonna try it one more time out of the

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long distance line and long distance

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where are you hello yes all right

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good morning I'm listening to your show

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this morning

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I would like to ask us to Fowler a

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couple questions one is about a kind of

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siding if he's ever heard of this

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um starters on a very clear day a sunny

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day not a cloud in the sky

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uh what would look like maybe a white

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cloud just moving across the sky slowly

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and then all of a sudden up here in this

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like a swarm

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of what looked like either Birds but

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couldn't have been Birds it was too high

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or maybe in the shape of airplanes now I

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know you couldn't have a swarm of

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airplanes but a very peculiar uh

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cloud-like formation and then suddenly

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disappear just vanished completely have

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you ever heard of anything like this has

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anyone did the cloud disappear and the

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objects disappear or just one thing it

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was like looking it was transparent

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while the only type of case which I can

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think that might uh be similar to that

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would be the type what we call a type 2

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B case where you have an object that's

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shaped like a cylinder surrounded with a

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cloudy substance

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usually it goes into a vertical mode and

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smaller objects come out of the top or

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bottom of this object and streak off in

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various directions and then it goes back

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to a horizontal mode and moves off

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nothing like this other than what what

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out of a clear solid Blue Sky not a

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cloud a tear a white cloud and then

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would clear up and you could see like a

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swarm of uh Optics in the white

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absolutely white and then all of a

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sudden it just vanish and be looking

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again at the Blue Sky now we thought

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maybe this were were birds like the

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egrets are often appeared to be white

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silver white in the sky and maybe

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flapping their wings would have given a

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different uh Shadow but they would just

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Disappear Completely I was just curious

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to see but this happened over Lafayette

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uh just a few weeks ago sounds very

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interesting that we have had uh reports

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like that with something has

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materialized again with the smaller

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objects but not just disappearing all of

553
00:23:27,049 --> 00:23:25,559
a sudden unless you happen to Blink your

554
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:27,059
eye when everything just moved off very

555
00:23:31,010 --> 00:23:29,039
very fast but uh we were casting

556
00:23:32,990 --> 00:23:31,020
everyone I would say what do you see is

557
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:33,000
it do you see it now it hasn't

558
00:23:38,510 --> 00:23:36,000
disappeared and uh we're two very solid

559
00:23:40,669 --> 00:23:38,520
people I mean we've got you know um uh

560
00:23:42,830 --> 00:23:40,679
there was no hysteria there was just

561
00:23:45,649 --> 00:23:42,840
just an ordinary day riding in a car

562
00:23:47,390 --> 00:23:45,659
when this was seen well we certainly

563
00:23:49,549 --> 00:23:47,400
would have investigated that and looked

564
00:23:51,169 --> 00:23:49,559
into a little bit of uh you had reported

565
00:23:53,149 --> 00:23:51,179
it at the time and were able to supply

566
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:53,159
the the date and the time and place to

567
00:23:57,409 --> 00:23:54,720
our local people what was your second

568
00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:57,419
question uh the second one was um can

569
00:24:01,970 --> 00:24:00,000
you say something about mentally

570
00:24:04,970 --> 00:24:01,980
telepathically

571
00:24:08,270 --> 00:24:04,980
um someone being impressed with uh Faith

572
00:24:10,970 --> 00:24:08,280
now this is not in the Mind's Eye it are

573
00:24:14,690 --> 00:24:10,980
uh imagination sort of thing but like on

574
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:14,700
a screen flash a person a face of a

575
00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:18,080
person and being told are made to know

576
00:24:26,930 --> 00:24:21,840
uh I'm from another this sounds so

577
00:24:30,409 --> 00:24:26,940
strange but I I'm from a UFO I'm from

578
00:24:33,649 --> 00:24:30,419
X I'm extraterrestrial I am a visitor

579
00:24:37,070 --> 00:24:33,659
and only that but it's totally

580
00:24:39,230 --> 00:24:37,080
telepathically and not an imagination

581
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:39,240
sort of thing but like on a screen the

582
00:24:44,750 --> 00:24:42,000
Mind scream I'm not a parapsychologist

583
00:24:46,730 --> 00:24:44,760
but uh been involved in UFO

584
00:24:49,810 --> 00:24:46,740
investigation I've come across reports

585
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:49,820
uh similar to that but

586
00:24:54,590 --> 00:24:52,799
I really can't comment intelligently on

587
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:54,600
something like that because I'm not a

588
00:24:58,010 --> 00:24:56,159
parapsychologist

589
00:25:00,909 --> 00:24:58,020
are you objective in your this

590
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:00,919
investigation I believe we are in fact

591
00:25:06,049 --> 00:25:03,840
uh I'm probably acknowledged as probably

592
00:25:08,529 --> 00:25:06,059
one of the most objective investigators

593
00:25:10,909 --> 00:25:08,539
in the United States and I think my

594
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:10,919
buddies who saw me produce this book

595
00:25:16,610 --> 00:25:14,880
wondered if uh I had lost all sense of

596
00:25:18,830 --> 00:25:16,620
objectivity

597
00:25:21,470 --> 00:25:18,840
I'm really going on a limb really as far

598
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:21,480
as my reputation goes and and bringing

599
00:25:24,669 --> 00:25:23,760
this uh this book The Andreas and Affair

600
00:25:27,769 --> 00:25:24,679
out

601
00:25:30,890 --> 00:25:27,779
as I mentioned before we decided this

602
00:25:32,750 --> 00:25:30,900
was uh too strange to have just one

603
00:25:35,630 --> 00:25:32,760
person investigated we had a team of

604
00:25:37,549 --> 00:25:35,640
five and most of this team of five are

605
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:37,559
engaged in scientific research and

606
00:25:42,350 --> 00:25:40,080
Engineering research within the civilian

607
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:42,360
civilian scientific community and are

608
00:25:46,490 --> 00:25:44,640
really objective people all five

609
00:25:49,730 --> 00:25:46,500
investigators in their initial

610
00:25:52,010 --> 00:25:49,740
individual evaluations in this 528 news

611
00:25:54,590 --> 00:25:52,020
report indicated that they believe that

612
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:54,600
the andreasen affair uh involve people

613
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:56,640
who are telling the truth who know what

614
00:26:00,110 --> 00:25:58,320
to be and that there was a real

615
00:26:01,549 --> 00:26:00,120
experience there it was a sign that

616
00:26:05,390 --> 00:26:01,559
something really is happening to these

617
00:26:08,510 --> 00:26:05,400
people especially since uh other cases

618
00:26:11,210 --> 00:26:08,520
exist similar to this if this was just a

619
00:26:13,130 --> 00:26:11,220
unique case I wouldn't be interested but

620
00:26:15,289 --> 00:26:13,140
you did not go all the way to the point

621
00:26:17,630 --> 00:26:15,299
or all all the investigators you're

622
00:26:19,970 --> 00:26:17,640
saying that yes Betty Andrea and Becky

623
00:26:22,130 --> 00:26:19,980
andreasen did have a close encounter of

624
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:22,140
the third time of the Third Kind yes

625
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:24,000
whatever that is it's a close encounter

626
00:26:27,289 --> 00:26:25,919
of the Third Kind type G now the

627
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:27,299
apparent stimulus for something like

628
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:29,520
that is obviously extraterrestrial but

629
00:26:32,690 --> 00:26:30,720
to accept the Extraterrestrial

630
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:32,700
hypothesis without physical proof would

631
00:26:37,490 --> 00:26:35,279
be non-scientific we brought to bear

632
00:26:39,230 --> 00:26:37,500
upon the case those tools which are used

633
00:26:41,210 --> 00:26:39,240
by the criminologists it's a type of

634
00:26:43,549 --> 00:26:41,220
evidence if you will that probably could

635
00:26:46,250 --> 00:26:43,559
send a man to Jail uh eyewitness

636
00:26:48,830 --> 00:26:46,260
testimony character reference checks lie

637
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,840
detector tests hypnotic regression and

638
00:26:52,669 --> 00:26:50,880
other types of tests that were either

639
00:26:55,730 --> 00:26:52,679
psychiatric examinations we brought to

640
00:26:57,529 --> 00:26:55,740
bear upon the case uh what we could in

641
00:27:00,890 --> 00:26:57,539
almost like a detective trying to solve

642
00:27:03,049 --> 00:27:00,900
a mystery but when you get right down to

643
00:27:05,450 --> 00:27:03,059
Brass tanks as it were you need physical

644
00:27:09,230 --> 00:27:05,460
evidence to say without a shadow of a

645
00:27:10,970 --> 00:27:09,240
doubt that this was a close encounter

646
00:27:13,310 --> 00:27:10,980
the Third Kind type G which involved

647
00:27:14,990 --> 00:27:13,320
real after peripheral beings in a real

648
00:27:16,250 --> 00:27:15,000
abduction how do you go about proving

649
00:27:21,130 --> 00:27:16,260
something like this that's what I want

650
00:27:27,409 --> 00:27:24,350
if indeed this sort of visitation did

651
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:27,419
happen it would seem that somewhere that

652
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:29,279
the that the amount of evidence that you

653
00:27:34,490 --> 00:27:31,200
could develop either in terms of

654
00:27:37,370 --> 00:27:34,500
evidence of a of a spaceship Landing

655
00:27:39,289 --> 00:27:37,380
evidence of well let's talk about maybe

656
00:27:40,010 --> 00:27:39,299
some of the unrealistic or realistic

657
00:27:41,810 --> 00:27:40,020
things

658
00:27:43,370 --> 00:27:41,820
if all of these creatures did appear in

659
00:27:45,169 --> 00:27:43,380
the home maybe they left a wrist watch

660
00:27:48,590 --> 00:27:45,179
or something behind or something of this

661
00:27:50,269 --> 00:27:48,600
nature radar sightings uh or whatever

662
00:27:52,669 --> 00:27:50,279
and I'm sure you've gone through all of

663
00:27:55,490 --> 00:27:52,679
these too now let's let's just comment

664
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:55,500
on a different type of case a close

665
00:28:00,350 --> 00:27:57,840
encounter of the Third Kind which

666
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:00,360
involves not only occupants being seen

667
00:28:04,970 --> 00:28:02,880
closing concept of the Third Kind of the

668
00:28:07,250 --> 00:28:04,980
variety of this these type of cases that

669
00:28:09,289 --> 00:28:07,260
type G's where a person allegedly has

670
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:09,299
communication with occupants on about a

671
00:28:12,529 --> 00:28:11,279
UFO let's take a close encounter the

672
00:28:13,850 --> 00:28:12,539
Third Kind which is also a close

673
00:28:15,950 --> 00:28:13,860
encounter of the second kind where

674
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,960
there's physical evidence and let's pick

675
00:28:20,390 --> 00:28:17,520
one out of the files of the United

676
00:28:24,590 --> 00:28:20,400
States Air Force's Project Blue Book on

677
00:28:26,690 --> 00:28:24,600
April 24th 1964 Lonnie Zamora a

678
00:28:28,430 --> 00:28:26,700
policeman was chasing a speeding car on

679
00:28:30,830 --> 00:28:28,440
South Park Street at Socorro New Mexico

680
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:30,840
he saw a silver object descending

681
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:33,120
rapidly out of the sky uh near a

682
00:28:37,490 --> 00:28:35,279
dynamite Shack and a loud roaring sound

683
00:28:39,649 --> 00:28:37,500
his first thought was that the dynamite

684
00:28:41,810 --> 00:28:39,659
Shack had blown up he broke off his

685
00:28:44,090 --> 00:28:41,820
Chase ready of headquarters and told

686
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:44,100
them that he was going to investigate he

687
00:28:48,769 --> 00:28:46,080
proceeded toward the dynamite Shack and

688
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:48,779
stopped on a hill and looked down into a

689
00:28:53,390 --> 00:28:51,600
gully and there was an oval craft with

690
00:28:56,810 --> 00:28:53,400
what he described as two child-like

691
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:56,820
figures in coveralls examining the

692
00:29:01,010 --> 00:28:59,520
object he thought it must be a car that

693
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:01,020
has overturned or something he still

694
00:29:04,850 --> 00:29:03,360
couldn't accept what he saw he radioed

695
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:04,860
the headquarters and asked for backup

696
00:29:08,330 --> 00:29:06,720
and continued down into the Gully where

697
00:29:10,610 --> 00:29:08,340
he lost sight of the object on another

698
00:29:12,289 --> 00:29:10,620
Hill just above the Gully and got out of

699
00:29:14,690 --> 00:29:12,299
the cruiser and Advance within 100 feet

700
00:29:17,149 --> 00:29:14,700
of that object the occupants were gone

701
00:29:19,070 --> 00:29:17,159
there was a roaring sound and the object

702
00:29:22,190 --> 00:29:19,080
lifted off the ground with sort of a

703
00:29:24,649 --> 00:29:22,200
very very blue uh Flame or a plasma-like

704
00:29:27,529 --> 00:29:24,659
material coming out of the bottom and

705
00:29:30,289 --> 00:29:27,539
then that stopped and that rule stopped

706
00:29:33,289 --> 00:29:30,299
and it just sat there motionless about

707
00:29:35,090 --> 00:29:33,299
15 feet above the ground and then it

708
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:35,100
moved off with a strange up and down

709
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:36,240
motion

710
00:29:40,730 --> 00:29:39,360
and out of sight he tried by the way

711
00:29:43,549 --> 00:29:40,740
when he first started to contact

712
00:29:46,370 --> 00:29:43,559
headquarters by radio and His Radio

713
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:46,380
would not work moments later the state

714
00:29:52,250 --> 00:29:48,240
police arrived they went down into the

715
00:29:53,930 --> 00:29:52,260
area and found four Impressions and a

716
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:53,940
series of burnt areas where the object

717
00:30:00,049 --> 00:29:57,200
appeared to have come in and then left

718
00:30:03,289 --> 00:30:00,059
they notified the Air Force the Air

719
00:30:04,970 --> 00:30:03,299
Force investigated they found by means

720
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:04,980
of a penetrometer that it would have

721
00:30:11,389 --> 00:30:08,159
been at least one ton of weight on each

722
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:11,399
one of those indentations the heat was

723
00:30:16,730 --> 00:30:14,399
tremendous it cracked rocks a total of

724
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:16,740
13 Witnesses were found that either saw

725
00:30:20,690 --> 00:30:19,200
or heard this particular object the

726
00:30:22,669 --> 00:30:20,700
United States Air Force still has

727
00:30:25,010 --> 00:30:22,679
classified the sighting as that of an

728
00:30:26,810 --> 00:30:25,020
unknown vehicle now this is typical of

729
00:30:28,490 --> 00:30:26,820
other cases like this the only

730
00:30:31,250 --> 00:30:28,500
difference between this type of case and

731
00:30:34,190 --> 00:30:31,260
the andreasen affair case is that Lonnie

732
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:34,200
tomorrow didn't talk to these beings and

733
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:36,960
was not brought aboard so would seem

734
00:30:42,110 --> 00:30:38,399
that closing conscious of the Third Kind

735
00:30:44,690 --> 00:30:42,120
type G could be a logical extension of a

736
00:30:47,330 --> 00:30:44,700
type of UFO experience which has less

737
00:30:49,130 --> 00:30:47,340
physical data behind now what is it

738
00:30:50,690 --> 00:30:49,140
going to take then what sort of

739
00:30:51,950 --> 00:30:50,700
information or evidence is going to be

740
00:30:55,130 --> 00:30:51,960
necessary

741
00:30:57,409 --> 00:30:55,140
to make our two are to bring this out of

742
00:31:00,350 --> 00:30:57,419
the out of the realm of to some people's

743
00:31:02,090 --> 00:31:00,360
fantasy and make it uh unmistakably fact

744
00:31:04,010 --> 00:31:02,100
I think admission on the part of the

745
00:31:05,330 --> 00:31:04,020
government that solid evidence does

746
00:31:06,830 --> 00:31:05,340
exist I'm not sure they know what

747
00:31:08,269 --> 00:31:06,840
they're dealing with I'm sure that they

748
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:08,279
know that they're dealing with unknown

749
00:31:12,769 --> 00:31:10,320
vehicles from an unknown source which

750
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:12,779
they have no control over whatsoever one

751
00:31:16,909 --> 00:31:14,159
of the interesting things that has come

752
00:31:18,289 --> 00:31:16,919
to light within the past few weeks is a

753
00:31:20,690 --> 00:31:18,299
summary report from the government of

754
00:31:23,930 --> 00:31:20,700
France to the Center for UFO studies Dr

755
00:31:26,690 --> 00:31:23,940
Claude poyer a director of a civilian

756
00:31:30,049 --> 00:31:26,700
French government sponsored UFO project

757
00:31:32,510 --> 00:31:30,059
is on our board of directors in 1977 the

758
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:32,520
French government seemingly took the UFO

759
00:31:37,510 --> 00:31:34,559
problem at least partially out of the

760
00:31:40,850 --> 00:31:37,520
hands of the military and commissioned a

761
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:40,860
commissioned a a team of scientists to

762
00:31:46,909 --> 00:31:43,440
look at 11 Close Encounters of the Third

763
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:46,919
Kind one of which involved occupants in

764
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:48,480
communication

765
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:51,360
they spent the year of 1978 looking at

766
00:31:56,510 --> 00:31:53,760
these particular cases percent of UFO

767
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:56,520
studies received several weeks ago a

768
00:32:02,990 --> 00:32:00,000
summary of a five-volume report which is

769
00:32:05,690 --> 00:32:03,000
still classified a secret that indicates

770
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:05,700
that and this is a conclusion of the

771
00:32:11,090 --> 00:32:09,600
report 10 out of 11 cases were found not

772
00:32:13,310 --> 00:32:11,100
to be misinterpretation of natural

773
00:32:15,769 --> 00:32:13,320
phenomena or misidentification of

774
00:32:18,529 --> 00:32:15,779
man-made devices nor were they hoaxes

775
00:32:21,769 --> 00:32:18,539
and the conclusion of this study of

776
00:32:24,529 --> 00:32:21,779
these 11 cases indicated a very strong

777
00:32:27,889 --> 00:32:24,539
statement behind the UFO phenomenon

778
00:32:30,110 --> 00:32:27,899
there exists a flying machine whose mode

779
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:30,120
of sustenance and propulsion is

780
00:32:36,289 --> 00:32:32,880
currently beyond the scope of current uh

781
00:32:38,330 --> 00:32:36,299
present-day science

782
00:32:41,090 --> 00:32:38,340
originally when that project was set up

783
00:32:42,529 --> 00:32:41,100
Dr Claude foyer indicated that the

784
00:32:43,490 --> 00:32:42,539
results of this project would be made

785
00:32:47,570 --> 00:32:43,500
public

786
00:32:50,510 --> 00:32:47,580
that the uh five volume report would be

787
00:32:53,210 --> 00:32:50,520
sent to people in this country in abroad

788
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:53,220
to study but the French government has

789
00:32:58,970 --> 00:32:55,679
classified this secret and we don't know

790
00:33:01,490 --> 00:32:58,980
when the fold is also this particular uh

791
00:33:02,930 --> 00:33:01,500
study will be made public except for the

792
00:33:04,730 --> 00:33:02,940
summary report that was released to the

793
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,740
center of UFO studies so I think it's

794
00:33:08,570 --> 00:33:06,480
going to take something like the

795
00:33:11,330 --> 00:33:08,580
government to release the information

796
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:11,340
that is presently holding on UFOs to at

797
00:33:14,990 --> 00:33:13,200
least convince the public that UFOs are

798
00:33:17,810 --> 00:33:15,000
real although the last Gallup poll

799
00:33:20,090 --> 00:33:17,820
indicates that 57 of the American people

800
00:33:22,190 --> 00:33:20,100
believe that UFOs are real and that they

801
00:33:25,130 --> 00:33:22,200
have seen a UFO that's about 15 million

802
00:33:26,690 --> 00:33:25,140
Americans uh from time to time through

803
00:33:28,970 --> 00:33:26,700
the Freedom of Information Act we have

804
00:33:31,310 --> 00:33:28,980
acquired some very spectacular military

805
00:33:33,710 --> 00:33:31,320
reports involving radar visual sightings

806
00:33:36,889 --> 00:33:33,720
uh weapon systems control panels being

807
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:36,899
disrupted smaller missiles being fired

808
00:33:43,370 --> 00:33:41,039
from larger UFOs at interceptors causing

809
00:33:45,769 --> 00:33:43,380
uh disruption of navigational equipment

810
00:33:47,149 --> 00:33:45,779
Communications equipment you read these

811
00:33:48,289 --> 00:33:47,159
things and you read these twixes they're

812
00:33:49,970 --> 00:33:48,299
addressed to the White House the

813
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:49,980
Secretary of the State Defense all the

814
00:33:53,630 --> 00:33:51,600
heads of the intelligence agencies Joint

815
00:33:57,950 --> 00:33:53,640
Chiefs of staffs something is going on

816
00:34:00,769 --> 00:33:57,960
somewhere and these fixes telegram

817
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:00,779
telegrams classified telegrams contains

818
00:34:04,909 --> 00:34:02,640
some very very hard information and

819
00:34:07,250 --> 00:34:04,919
we've been very fortunate to have got

820
00:34:10,609 --> 00:34:07,260
information like that into our hands

821
00:34:12,250 --> 00:34:10,619
morning you're on KTRH okay outside of

822
00:34:15,649 --> 00:34:12,260
being totally frightened

823
00:34:19,250 --> 00:34:15,659
a couple questions all right go ahead

824
00:34:21,050 --> 00:34:19,260
what person do uh well we just totally

825
00:34:23,930 --> 00:34:21,060
help with one if you see something like

826
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:23,940
that do you run do you submit uh since

827
00:34:27,470 --> 00:34:25,679
the government has really not recognized

828
00:34:30,409 --> 00:34:27,480
that this exists as far as protecting

829
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:30,419
the citizen of the of the world uh what

830
00:34:33,050 --> 00:34:31,440
are we supposed to do you're supposed to

831
00:34:35,210 --> 00:34:33,060
walk around thinking any minute you're

832
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:35,220
going to get picked up I don't want to

833
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:37,200
live that type of life even though I do

834
00:34:43,310 --> 00:34:40,320
believe this has this does exist

835
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:43,320
has it been any study as far as how you

836
00:34:48,109 --> 00:34:45,599
react if you're caught in this type of

837
00:34:49,490 --> 00:34:48,119
situation no no if I were you though I

838
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:49,500
don't think I would dwell on it and

839
00:34:52,609 --> 00:34:51,119
worry about it that's for sure that's

840
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:52,619
not because you all kind of problems

841
00:34:57,050 --> 00:34:54,960
however we were talking during the break

842
00:34:58,430 --> 00:34:57,060
that it seemed to me that the kind of

843
00:35:00,589 --> 00:34:58,440
evidence that it was going to take to

844
00:35:01,910 --> 00:35:00,599
really convince well even me and a lot

845
00:35:04,670 --> 00:35:01,920
of other people would be the classic

846
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:04,680
kind of take me to your leader kind of

847
00:35:08,089 --> 00:35:06,960
uh experience and you were telling me

848
00:35:10,670 --> 00:35:08,099
that the government has already

849
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:10,680
initiated a study on just how to how to

850
00:35:14,089 --> 00:35:12,480
approach that kind of a potential

851
00:35:15,650 --> 00:35:14,099
problem how is nearly wanting

852
00:35:18,109 --> 00:35:15,660
coordinated for the University of

853
00:35:20,930 --> 00:35:18,119
Colorado uh UFO studies sponsored by the

854
00:35:23,630 --> 00:35:20,940
United States Air Force and uh during an

855
00:35:26,030 --> 00:35:23,640
investigation we had two scientists fly

856
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:26,040
out to my home to investigate some very

857
00:35:30,890 --> 00:35:27,839
strange UFO sightings that occurred in

858
00:35:32,930 --> 00:35:30,900
Massachusetts and at that time they told

859
00:35:35,630 --> 00:35:32,940
me that part of their job was to

860
00:35:39,230 --> 00:35:35,640
ascertain what would the government do

861
00:35:41,390 --> 00:35:39,240
if a UFO landed on the White House lawn

862
00:35:44,329 --> 00:35:41,400
for example interestingly enough the

863
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:44,339
Condon report never contained any such

864
00:35:50,270 --> 00:35:48,000
report at all and one wonders how many

865
00:35:52,010 --> 00:35:50,280
other reports that went to the

866
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:52,020
University of Colorado never got printed

867
00:35:56,089 --> 00:35:54,000
one of the reports for example that we

868
00:35:58,970 --> 00:35:56,099
investigated involved two trained

869
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:58,980
observers former aircraft spotters uh

870
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:01,440
and amateur astronomers using binoculars

871
00:36:06,410 --> 00:36:03,599
in a telescope and naked eye as

872
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:06,420
signaling to a UFO with a flashlight and

873
00:36:09,470 --> 00:36:07,920
they were the scientists were very

874
00:36:11,450 --> 00:36:09,480
intrigued with this report and put some

875
00:36:12,829 --> 00:36:11,460
Credence in it but it never appeared in

876
00:36:14,569 --> 00:36:12,839
the final report and there are a lot of

877
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:14,579
reports like that that never appeared in

878
00:36:20,450 --> 00:36:16,320
the final report have there ever been

879
00:36:22,370 --> 00:36:20,460
instances of the of the uh of the

880
00:36:26,270 --> 00:36:22,380
accounts and the sightings that remain

881
00:36:28,990 --> 00:36:26,280
let's say still classified as unknown uh

882
00:36:31,790 --> 00:36:29,000
where where hostile action was

883
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:31,800
encountered on part of the UFO there

884
00:36:36,589 --> 00:36:34,800
have been some cases for example uh at

885
00:36:39,770 --> 00:36:36,599
Otis Air Force Base for example in May

886
00:36:44,089 --> 00:36:39,780
of 1953 we have a massive Sergeant who

887
00:36:46,730 --> 00:36:44,099
was involved in uh search for a missing

888
00:36:49,310 --> 00:36:46,740
aircraft which told us who told us a

889
00:36:51,050 --> 00:36:49,320
very interesting story uh ground radar

890
00:36:53,870 --> 00:36:51,060
had picked up unidentified flying

891
00:36:57,050 --> 00:36:53,880
objects off the coast of uh Boston and

892
00:36:58,810 --> 00:36:57,060
they sent f94 see all whether a gen

893
00:37:01,609 --> 00:36:58,820
Interceptor to look into the situation

894
00:37:03,710 --> 00:37:01,619
the Interceptor took off and was over

895
00:37:06,050 --> 00:37:03,720
the Gunnery Range and all communication

896
00:37:09,230 --> 00:37:06,060
navigational systems went dead and then

897
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:09,240
the aircraft engine cut out and the

898
00:37:15,050 --> 00:37:13,440
pilot ejected the canopy cockpit canopy

899
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:15,060
and ejected himself thinking the radar

900
00:37:19,609 --> 00:37:16,800
operator would follow suit

901
00:37:20,810 --> 00:37:19,619
and uh he his parachute opened just in

902
00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:20,820
time and

903
00:37:23,810 --> 00:37:22,380
there was no crash he couldn't figure

904
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:23,820
anything was very very quiet and he

905
00:37:28,910 --> 00:37:26,400
landed and he went to the nearest house

906
00:37:31,089 --> 00:37:28,920
and knocked on the door and Kali it was

907
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:31,099
space and told him what happened

908
00:37:37,069 --> 00:37:34,560
they found the canopy over the weapons

909
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:37,079
range they'd find the aircraft and find

910
00:37:41,150 --> 00:37:39,839
the radar operator he said that the

911
00:37:43,849 --> 00:37:41,160
mother came out there and spent three

912
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:43,859
months living off base hoping to find uh

913
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:46,079
her son he said there's no way that that

914
00:37:49,130 --> 00:37:47,520
thing could have kept on going out to

915
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:49,140
the ocean which was you know several

916
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:51,599
miles off he says it was falling like

917
00:37:55,730 --> 00:37:53,760
lead it was it was just no way that the

918
00:37:56,810 --> 00:37:55,740
plane completely disappeared now there

919
00:37:59,150 --> 00:37:56,820
were a number of planes that have

920
00:38:01,490 --> 00:37:59,160
disappeared all crashed chasing UF

921
00:38:03,890 --> 00:38:01,500
always uh and uh if you consider this

922
00:38:06,770 --> 00:38:03,900
hostility I really don't know that there

923
00:38:08,210 --> 00:38:06,780
was one report that these are in the

924
00:38:10,849 --> 00:38:08,220
minority but let me give you an example

925
00:38:12,050 --> 00:38:10,859
of a little boy in leelsville Ohio went

926
00:38:14,930 --> 00:38:12,060
out to get some water with a metal

927
00:38:17,150 --> 00:38:14,940
bucket and returning to his house he saw

928
00:38:19,790 --> 00:38:17,160
this typical oval UFO hovering the

929
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:19,800
treetop level in the ball of fire seemed

930
00:38:24,170 --> 00:38:21,839
to come out emanate from it and and come

931
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:24,180
after him and he began running and the

932
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:26,400
ball of fire hit him and knocked him to

933
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:28,320
the ground and his clothes is out of

934
00:38:32,990 --> 00:38:30,720
coat caught fire and his he caught fire

935
00:38:34,970 --> 00:38:33,000
really the grandmother and the mother

936
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:34,980
heard him screaming and came out and

937
00:38:39,170 --> 00:38:37,680
watched this boy and saw this boy uh

938
00:38:40,490 --> 00:38:39,180
rolling over and over they went out I

939
00:38:42,829 --> 00:38:40,500
saw the object it was a local power

940
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:42,839
failure which only lasted about 30

941
00:38:46,430 --> 00:38:44,880
seconds to a minute they managed to put

942
00:38:49,550 --> 00:38:46,440
the fire out and they called the sheriff

943
00:38:51,170 --> 00:38:49,560
he informed NY camp in the Air Force and

944
00:38:55,609 --> 00:38:51,180
the boy was brought to the hospital and

945
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:55,619
treated for minor burns uh now what what

946
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:57,359
we make of this is this hostile action

947
00:39:00,710 --> 00:38:58,800
or is that metal busted that metal

948
00:39:03,170 --> 00:39:00,720
bucket that he was carrying and initiate

949
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:03,180
some type of uh protective action on

950
00:39:08,030 --> 00:39:05,520
part of the UFO the sheriff was

951
00:39:09,470 --> 00:39:08,040
convinced it wasn't a hoax but these

952
00:39:12,050 --> 00:39:09,480
cases in their mind are in the minority

953
00:39:13,490 --> 00:39:12,060
and they might be akin to some NATO who

954
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:13,500
has never seen an airplane before

955
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:15,119
watched an airplane land on the jungle

956
00:39:19,069 --> 00:39:18,000
and the occupants leave the airplane but

957
00:39:20,270 --> 00:39:19,079
they leave the propeller going the

958
00:39:22,670 --> 00:39:20,280
native goes walking up to the airplane

959
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:22,680
sticks his turn the propeller and then